Joseph Parker

[shamrock]

Well mate, AJ is champ so that's top of the tree.

[Msreef]

Haha whatever floats your boat

[tm7]

(07-30-2016, 12:05 AM)Msreef Wrote:

(07-29-2016, 09:58 PM)tm7 Wrote: Random but surprised Joe's had 20 fights now and never faced another undefeated fighter and almost nobody younger than 30. Would love to have seen him face another young hungry fighter with an 0 to lose. AJ coming but until now I mean

I actually disagree with this to some degree. Yes AJ has faced four undefeated fighters, but they were all unproven fighters. We don't actually know how good Whyte is, because he hasn't beaten anyone at a proven level. Charles Martin only had one half decent win and that fight ended very early because the guy had an injury. Gary Cornish is trash, and Brezeale isn't much better. Parker could beat 20 undefeated fighters in a row, but if they are trash and simply have padded records, does it mean anything?

I would much rather Parker fight proven fighters at a certain level (i.e. top 20), then take on a solid prospect like AJ. Takam was a great fight. We saw the areas he needs to work on, and he got in 12 rounds with a tough opponent. Because of that Takam win, Parker becomes top 10 (just). It really is difficult to know where to place Joshua, he looks great to the eye, but he is so untested for a heavyweight 'champ' it's not funny.

Yea I get what you're saying and agree it's better to fight established contenders/gatekeepers rather than untested undefeated fighters. But considering Parker hasn't been fighting either of those categories (Takam and Dimitrenko excl), would have just been good to see him take one 0 off someone his age. 

[craigyid14]

Would be hard to entice an unbeaten prospect over here tm, well one not from south america anyway.

[U.K. Fight Fan]

(07-30-2016, 12:05 AM)Msreef Wrote:

(07-29-2016, 09:58 PM)tm7 Wrote: Random but surprised Joe's had 20 fights now and never faced another undefeated fighter and almost nobody younger than 30. Would love to have seen him face another young hungry fighter with an 0 to lose. AJ coming but until now I mean

I actually disagree with this to some degree. Yes AJ has faced four undefeated fighters, but they were all unproven fighters. We don't actually know how good Whyte is, because he hasn't beaten anyone at a proven level. Charles Martin only had one half decent win and that fight ended very early because the guy had an injury. Gary Cornish is trash, and Brezeale isn't much better. Parker could beat 20 undefeated fighters in a row, but if they are trash and simply have padded records, does it mean anything?

I would much rather Parker fight proven fighters at a certain level (i.e. top 20), then take on a solid prospect like AJ. Takam was a great fight. We saw the areas he needs to work on, and he got in 12 rounds with a tough opponent. Because of that Takam win, Parker becomes top 10 (just). It really is difficult to know where to place Joshua, he looks great to the eye, but he is so untested for a heavyweight 'champ' it's not funny.

Martin, Brezeale and Whyte all had records going into the Joshua fight that werent too dissimilar to Parkers before he fought Takam.  I couldn't honestly say that before Parker fought Takam that he had a better class of opponent on his resume than Whyte, Martin and Brezeale.  So we know they were of a certain level. Actually Whyte and Parker have 3 common opponents and Whyte finished them all before Parker. Takam was a good fight, a good opponent.  But even he is 35.  All the others before that have been 100 years old or garbage or both. I'm surprised, like tm, that Parker's team have not put him in with at least one undefeated young fighter and that he's not fought on a big undercard in US or UK.  Just to add, from my point, the Takam fight exposed Parker quite alot.  In an attacking sense, Parker has some great assets and good skills but defensively I couldn't see a difference between him, Whyte, Brezeale or Martin.  The amount of times Parker leaned straight back against the ropes with his hands down was shocking.  

[craigyid14]

How did you find out about nzboxchat UK fight fan?

[U.K. Fight Fan]

(07-30-2016, 03:54 AM)craigyid14 Wrote: How did you find out about nzboxchat UK fight fan?

By chance really.  I'm abit of a boxing fanatic, specifically UK boxing.  One of the UK's highest profile fighters is being ordered to fight JP soon, so I wanted to find out what the NZ boxing fans think about JP and AJ.  I think I just typed in google 'Joseph Parker NZ Forum' and it was one of the first results.  

Also, I've always been intrigued by boxers that aren't from the usual 'boxing nations' i.e USA, Mexico, Russia, UK etc.  And I suppose I find it fascinating that fellow english speaking nations with similar shared sporting interests (rugby/cricket), like Australia and New Zealand, don't seem to produce or be as involved in boxing on a world level to the same extent as the UK.  I can understand New Zealand because of the population size, but Australia? Hasn't it got like a 25-30 million population? I thought they loved a fight too? I would have thought that boxing would really appeal to them as a sport.  Even though New Zealand has a considerably smaller population than Aus, I'd still say they produce the better fighters which is surprising.  Maybe some of you guys have a few thoughts about these things?  

[NakiFan]

I wonder if our weather has something to do with it.

Seriously. Good weather more outdoor activities, poor weather indoor activities. Like boxing.

[U.K. Fight Fan]

(07-30-2016, 09:26 AM)NakiFan Wrote: I wonder if our weather has something to do with it.

Seriously. Good weather more outdoor activities, poor weather indoor activities. Like boxing.

Great point.  Although Mexico is hot as f**k and the US generally get good weather.  But I suppose the population factor again and Mexico basically only have boxing and soccer. 

[shamrock]

(07-30-2016, 02:54 AM)U.K. Fight Fan Wrote:

(07-30-2016, 12:05 AM)Msreef Wrote:

(07-29-2016, 09:58 PM)tm7 Wrote: Random but surprised Joe's had 20 fights now and never faced another undefeated fighter and almost nobody younger than 30. Would love to have seen him face another young hungry fighter with an 0 to lose. AJ coming but until now I mean

I actually disagree with this to some degree. Yes AJ has faced four undefeated fighters, but they were all unproven fighters. We don't actually know how good Whyte is, because he hasn't beaten anyone at a proven level. Charles Martin only had one half decent win and that fight ended very early because the guy had an injury. Gary Cornish is trash, and Brezeale isn't much better. Parker could beat 20 undefeated fighters in a row, but if they are trash and simply have padded records, does it mean anything?

I would much rather Parker fight proven fighters at a certain level (i.e. top 20), then take on a solid prospect like AJ. Takam was a great fight. We saw the areas he needs to work on, and he got in 12 rounds with a tough opponent. Because of that Takam win, Parker becomes top 10 (just). It really is difficult to know where to place Joshua, he looks great to the eye, but he is so untested for a heavyweight 'champ' it's not funny.

Martin, Brezeale and Whyte all had records going into the Joshua fight that werent too dissimilar to Parkers before he fought Takam.  I couldn't honestly say that before Parker fought Takam that he had a better class of opponent on his resume than Whyte, Martin and Brezeale.  So we know they were of a certain level. Actually Whyte and Parker have 3 common opponents and Whyte finished them all before Parker. Takam was a good fight, a good opponent.  But even he is 35.  All the others before that have been 100 years old or garbage or both. I'm surprised, like tm, that Parker's team have not put him in with at least one undefeated young fighter and that he's not fought on a big undercard in US or UK.  Just to add, from my point, the Takam fight exposed Parker quite alot.  In an attacking sense, Parker has some great assets and good skills but defensively I couldn't see a difference between him, Whyte, Brezeale or Martin.  The amount of times Parker leaned straight back against the ropes with his hands down was shocking.  

Great analysis UK FIGHT FAN. I still think an angry Dyllian Whyte would give Jo nightmares. Takam had it but let it go.