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(09-25-2018, 11:37 AM)diehard Wrote: Markk, you're more optimistic than me about the US market. Wilder can't draw. How did GGG vs Canelo go? Certainly nothing like AJ and Wembley. I'm not too sure, but before Hearn/AJ, how did the UK market do? I think if Wilder beats AJ, the US market will definitely come into play.
Washington, Miller, Breazeale, Jennings are all gate keepers. Yeah, some of them may contend here or there, but none will be getting a belt.
In looking at the available fighters for AJ and Wilder, they're slowly but surely getting rid of the possible contenders. Who would have a good chance of beating either one of them now?
Fury/Wilder/Joshua are to my mind the only 3 that are a serious threat to each other right now. There are some dangers on the horizon though. Here are my picks
1. Usyk.
Slick, skilled, elite level talent. Size may prove an issue but he's got the skills to trouble anyone
2. Joe Joyce
He's 6'6", an athlete who brings pressure and power and supposedly a great chin. He's a far superior version of Dominic Brezeale basically and could be a problem
3. Tony Yoka
He's a bit raw but this guy has both size and great athleticism. If he continues to develop he has real potential in 2-3 years time
4. Daniel Dubois
Size and power, supposedly gave a real hard time to Povetkin in sparring. He is a bit raw but it's very early days and he's doing great so far
5. Nathan Gorman
He's visually unappealing but this guy has brilliant handspeed and very accurate combinations, he's a cousin of Tyson Fury
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(09-25-2018, 08:39 PM)bart Wrote: Dean lonergan wants JP v Mark Hunt ...
I've got no desire to see poor mark hunt get brain damage
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(09-25-2018, 09:41 PM)Infern0 Wrote: (09-25-2018, 08:39 PM)bart Wrote: Dean lonergan wants JP v Mark Hunt ...
I've got no desire to see poor mark hunt get brain damage
Lonergan wants circus acts again..
Hunt doesnt provide the journey to the promised land thats required for JP to get to contention. Its a waste of time.
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A better and more appropriate fight would be Hunt v Gallen
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(09-25-2018, 10:58 PM)Boxingfan25 Wrote: A better and more appropriate fight would be Hunt v Gallen
True
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(09-25-2018, 09:21 PM)diehard Wrote: (09-25-2018, 07:59 PM)markk Wrote: (09-25-2018, 11:37 AM)diehard Wrote: Markk, you're more optimistic than me about the US market. Wilder can't draw. How did GGG vs Canelo go? Certainly nothing like AJ and Wembley. I'm not too sure, but before Hearn/AJ, how did the UK market do? I think if Wilder beats AJ, the US market will definitely come into play.
Washington, Miller, Breazeale, Jennings are all gate keepers. Yeah, some of them may contend here or there, but none will be getting a belt.
In looking at the available fighters for AJ and Wilder, they're slowly but surely getting rid of the possible contenders. Who would have a good chance of beating either one of them now?
its not that he cant draw its the fact that because eddie is investing now espn and showtime and fox are as well. which means there is a tv war between networks. so depending on where you sign you only fight the house fighters depending on network. so the money and crowds may not hit the stadiums but the fighters will get paid which is great. In saying this the tv networks will throw lots of money at fighters
Don't know about espn, but HBO and Showtime have been having PPV wars for years. Is it different now? Not challenging you, I just don't know.
So, is the money HBO and Showtime are throwing at fighters anything like what Hearn is getting in the UK? Not just with AJ, but his Matchroom promotions?
HBO not investing as much and seem to be in 5th place. . from my research its a race to win the streaming war and boxing seems to be the product they are using to win market share. boxing as a sport is having a huge injection because of it which is great news. PPV is dying in the traditional model. I think th uk is a one player market which is 25% of the US market. so just bigger dollars. In saying this eddie hearn seems to have the jump from a product point of view .
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From Stu, Joe's matchmaker:
Hopefully we will have nailed an opponent sometime this week ... Lucas Browne isn't ready and would have been ideal .. A hit out before Xmas is what Joe wants .. then some of these guys can be considered next year on the path back into contention. For now it's one fight at a time ..
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(09-25-2018, 11:41 PM)markk Wrote: (09-25-2018, 09:21 PM)diehard Wrote: (09-25-2018, 07:59 PM)markk Wrote: (09-25-2018, 11:37 AM)diehard Wrote: Markk, you're more optimistic than me about the US market. Wilder can't draw. How did GGG vs Canelo go? Certainly nothing like AJ and Wembley. I'm not too sure, but before Hearn/AJ, how did the UK market do? I think if Wilder beats AJ, the US market will definitely come into play.
Washington, Miller, Breazeale, Jennings are all gate keepers. Yeah, some of them may contend here or there, but none will be getting a belt.
In looking at the available fighters for AJ and Wilder, they're slowly but surely getting rid of the possible contenders. Who would have a good chance of beating either one of them now?
its not that he cant draw its the fact that because eddie is investing now espn and showtime and fox are as well. which means there is a tv war between networks. so depending on where you sign you only fight the house fighters depending on network. so the money and crowds may not hit the stadiums but the fighters will get paid which is great. In saying this the tv networks will throw lots of money at fighters
Don't know about espn, but HBO and Showtime have been having PPV wars for years. Is it different now? Not challenging you, I just don't know.
So, is the money HBO and Showtime are throwing at fighters anything like what Hearn is getting in the UK? Not just with AJ, but his Matchroom promotions?
HBO not investing as much and seem to be in 5th place. . from my research its a race to win the streaming war and boxing seems to be the product they are using to win market share. boxing as a sport is having a huge injection because of it which is great news. PPV is dying in the traditional model. I think th uk is a one player market which is 25% of the US market. so just bigger dollars. In saying this eddie hearn seems to have the jump from a product point of view .
People in the US just aren't buying, and a lot of it is down to a lack of heavyweight success in the last 20 years
American audiences only tend to tune in once a fighter has already reached the top. They aren't interested in the journey.
Mayweather resorted to a lot of trolling and stirring up of ethnic minorities to get his huge viewing base. Guys like crawford and spence are just too vanilla.
They deep down arent convinced by Wilder but if he did beat Fury and AJ he would then become a massive, massive US star
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How did GGG/Canelo do with gate and PPV numbers? They were in Vegas I think???
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(09-27-2018, 09:47 PM)diehard Wrote: How did GGG/Canelo do with gate and PPV numbers? They were in Vegas I think???
I think I read they did 1.1 on PPV which was down from the first fight.
Interesting that Fury/Wilder is going to LA not Vegas.
This means ticket prices are going to be a LOT less as they aren't getting the high rollers in and it's only around a 20k seat stadium.
It'll be very interesting to see how this does as Wilder/Ortiz did 1.1 on FREE TV and chances of them getting a 1:1 conversion from free TV to a $100 ppv are miniscule.
I think we are looking at 375k ppv being generous and a $3 mil gate
So we are looking at $40m generated in a perfect world but of course you have to take half of that immediately out to the broadcaster, then take taxes and site fee etc.
I think Fury and wilder come away with $10m each.
Nice money but compare that to AJ and it's not even half.
PLUS Fury and wilder can ONLY make that money vs each other, where AJ can make 2-3x that vs anyone
This is where AJ vs the winner runs into trouble because Frank Warren has already said he wants 50/50 for Fury and that's just not going to happen.
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