Joseph Parker

[African Monkey]

(09-25-2017, 11:59 AM)NakiFan Wrote: https://www.instagram.com/p/BZbTVccnVdF/

Tyson should be ready for a comeback soon as he's looking in good shape.

[Kiwi]

I was the one who said Hughie would be like Dimitrenko.

I just never figured he could run so fast!

[diehard]

I'm really gutted. Maybe Joe won. Maybe he lost. But he was horrible, especially being the champ. He looked much better against Takam and Ruiz, even with his weaknesses. He's gone backwards: lunging, head down, inaccurate, poor footwork. I can't believe he actually had sparring partners to practice for this fight.

He needs to fight soft competition (Japan), maybe Hammer and Bellew if he beats Haye. Whyte, AJ, Wilder would murder him based on the performance against Hughie. KB has ruined him. If he did this in the fight, he had to do it in sparring.

[Infern0]

(09-25-2017, 07:59 PM)diehard Wrote: I'm really gutted.  Maybe Joe won.  Maybe he lost.  But he was horrible, especially being the champ.  He looked much better against Takam and Ruiz, even with his weaknesses.  He's gone backwards: lunging, head down, inaccurate, poor footwork.  I can't believe he actually had sparring partners to practice for this fight.

He needs to fight soft competition (Japan), maybe Hammer and Bellew if he beats Haye.  Whyte, AJ, Wilder would murder him based on the performance against Hughie.  KB has ruined him.  If he did this in the fight, he had to do it in sparring.

I don't think its that bad, Hughie offers a combo of a very good jab, fast feet, good judge of distance, rolls with punches well and seems to have a very good chin.

Id pick parker over whyte, him vs wilder is 60/40 wilder and he has a punchers chance vs AJ.

I'd look to take the whyte fight next.

[Infern0]

(09-25-2017, 06:43 PM)gothenaki Wrote:

(09-24-2017, 06:14 PM)Infern0 Wrote:

(09-24-2017, 04:05 PM)gothenaki Wrote: Thank God the judges didn't give it to the dancing giraffe. Even when he landed he was leaning back on the ropes, and he got warned for his slapping back-of-the-hand "jabs"
Ali may have danced like that, but at least his punches had some sting.
JP didn't look great, but Fury looked horrible.
Last thing boxing needs is giant wankers who dance without ANY power punches

JP seems to have hitched his wagon to KB, but I don't know whether it's KB's fault that JP can't seem to adjust to what's in front of him.
At this stage, he looks very limited, but is still to have his chin tested, so I guess that's why the powers that be want to see him against Wilder and AJ. I hope he doesn't take too many flush...

Arent you the guy who said "tall timber" hughie would go down in 3 rounds like dimitrenko?

Of course hughie wasnt going to stand and trade with parker, he doesn't have power so he fights the way he can. I do agree that he could have stepped inside a bit more as he actually did ok when he did.

Both guys fought to their attributes and since it's a boxing match not a bar brawl i had it close on my card but shaded parker. I dont score points for lunging in and missing.

I said he should chop down Hughie, but didn't give a round, and wasn't that sure of the should, which is why I wrote it like that.
I also said JP looks very limited, after the event though.
Did you give Hughie points for back-of-the-hand slap-jabs and ballet dancing? If not, what did you give him points for?

I score clean punches landed. Hughie was very defensive and i didnt appreciate the tactics but a jab is a jab, and anything that isn't a jab counts as a power punch. Based on that i thought hughie won rounds 1-4 pretty clearly, i gave parker 2 clear rounds between 4-12 and the other 6 rounds were subjective. 

Don't mind joe getting the decision but neither was impressive and as the champion with more experience im more dissapointed in joe than hughie

[Veritas]

(09-23-2017, 09:51 PM)Veritas Wrote:

(09-22-2017, 08:26 PM)gothenaki Wrote: Parker should chop Fury down, and with the money available if he gets past this one, he'll be VERY motivated.
Fury does appear to have an overhand right (he seems to have knocked out a few bums with it), and back in the early days of our chat about Parker, we thought he was susceptible to that shot. I back Barry up on JP's whiskers though.

The thing i'm most worried about is a robbery, and after Adelaide Byrd i'm not any more confident. Basically accusing a ref of being dodgy, then moving him to the scorecard? What is his motivation going to be? Doesn't make sense to me.

I know a lot of you guys have never rated JP, and I wouldn't bet my house on him beating AJ, but I hope he gets past these scumbags, and at least has a go.

I see the TAB is suspending bets on the fight at 10:15
Should mean the main event is at 10:30?

Have to agree with you gothenaki.  'Should'!  This fight has the makings of David and Goliath given the physical differences.. Parker a hard fast brute of a man versus Fury a willow wisp.. off a 2 year layoff no less. Surely, this is too mammoth a task for Fury..

I have no doubt that a Traveller spell will be cast in Manchester tomorrow night and that Hughie will scrap like an alley cat but Joe has too many guns for this kid!  If Joe cannot take this out tomorrow he needs to take a good long look in the mirror.

V.

I have to admit.  When the ring announcer read the cards and until the winner was declared I thought Fury would get the decision...
Given the hype around a 'fix' being in, I admit buying into the conspiracy of a Fury rig.  No such thing it turns out.  Boxing's integrity restored - ha! Still, I didn't see the dominance on the cards reflected in the fight.

Feet feet feet feet... the first thing you learn in boxing - before you get to throw a punch - is how to stand - your stance.  It's all about balance.  Boxers learn to move around the ring on the balls of their toes keeping legs apart, balanced, throwing punches from the balls of their toes.  Hughie rightly ran all night, no match for the power of Parker - no surprise but, Joe had less than no clue about how to deal with it... even after two training camps to prepare..

If I was to rate aspects of Joe's fight I would have to be brutal.. Footwork : 1/10  I don't want the labour the point but he did not score well on any of the basic boxing skill sets in my opinion.  In fact, Joseph is getting worse. 

I'm not a knocker, just a fan disappointed in the progress of what 'was once a real contender'.  Joe was not sharp.  Not a crisp punch thrown all night as he lunged in vain.  Where has Joe's zing gone?  He looks flat.  Why couldn't he trace Fury's movement from the balls of his feet and throw knockout punches when in range?

I get the feeling that Joe has been seduced by the Title and the limelight that comes with it.  He does not seem to have the inner mental focus that he exuded a few years back.  He was humble, serious then, now everything is a laugh.  Something has changed and not for the positive.  

Be very careful Joe and please put YOUR boxing career first.

V.

                                                        
 


       

[diehard]

I have to admit.  When the ring announcer read the cards and until the winner was declared I thought Fury would get the decision...
Given the hype around a 'fix' being in, I admit buying into the conspiracy of a Fury rig.  No such thing it turns out.  Boxing's integrity restored - ha! Still, I didn't see the dominance on the cards reflected in the fight.

Feet feet feet feet... the first thing you learn in boxing - before you get to throw a punch - is how to stand - your stance.  It's all about balance.  Boxers learn to move around the ring on the balls of their toes keeping legs apart, balanced, throwing punches from the balls of their toes.  Hughie rightly ran all night, no match for the power of Parker - no surprise but, Joe had less than no clue about how to deal with it... even after two training camps to prepare..

If I was to rate aspects of Joe's fight I would have to be brutal.. Footwork : 1/10  I don't want the labour the point but he did not score well on any of the basic boxing skill sets in my opinion.  In fact, Joseph is getting worse. 

I'm not a knocker, just a fan disappointed in the progress of what 'was once a real contender'.  Joe was not sharp.  Not a crisp punch thrown all night as he lunged in vain.  Where has Joe's zing gone?  He looks flat.  Why couldn't he trace Fury's movement from the balls of his feet and throw knockout punches when in range?

I get the feeling that Joe has been seduced by the Title and the limelight that comes with it.  He does not seem to have the inner mental focus that he exuded a few years back.  He was humble, serious then, now everything is a laugh.  Something has changed and not for the positive.  

Be very careful Joe and please put YOUR boxing career first.

V.

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Totally agree, V.  Infern0, I had the same thoughts BEFORE this fight.  He beats Whyte, Wilder 60/40, and a punchers chance against AJ.  As per the above post, this is amateur stuff.  Yes, Hughie is elusive, good jab (with no power), tall, dances well, but a very average Hughie made Joe look like an amateur.

[NakiFan]

I think you guys are overlooking the fact that Huggie didn't score with his jab more than half a dozen times. The vast majority were swatted away or blocked with a solid guard on the gloves or simply evaded it by head movement.

I agree that he looked very subpar with his feet movement. I firmly believe it's linked to his weight. He's probably 6to8 kg too heavy. But in saying that he seems better in getting thru 12 rounds.

Stylistically I just think Huggie was just the worst possible opponent...but JP still has the strap..and we still have something to talk about. ;-)

[Westywarrior]

(09-25-2017, 08:37 PM)Infern0 Wrote:

(09-25-2017, 07:59 PM)diehard Wrote: I'm really gutted.  Maybe Joe won.  Maybe he lost.  But he was horrible, especially being the champ.  He looked much better against Takam and Ruiz, even with his weaknesses.  He's gone backwards: lunging, head down, inaccurate, poor footwork.  I can't believe he actually had sparring partners to practice for this fight.

He needs to fight soft competition (Japan), maybe Hammer and Bellew if he beats Haye.  Whyte, AJ, Wilder would murder him based on the performance against Hughie.  KB has ruined him.  If he did this in the fight, he had to do it in sparring.

I don't think its that bad, Hughie offers a combo of a very good jab, fast feet, good judge of distance, rolls with punches well and seems to have a very good chin.

Id pick parker over whyte, him vs wilder is 60/40 wilder and he has a punchers chance vs AJ.

I'd look to take the whyte fight next.

I have to agree with nearly all of that , I think Hughie would make a lot of fighters offence look bad.

Maybe the soft option with Fujimoto would be a better path if it's combined with new training
If not replacing Barry at least get another trainer on board
Back to school , followed by a soft voluntary , then the mandatory (Hammer probably) only then step up to the big boys.

[gothenaki]

I get that he looks slow on his feet, and that he needs to improve massively, but he's taken Andy Ruiz's 0, Hughie Fury's 0 (in his own back yard), and beaten Takam.

As a 25yr old still learning his craft, that's pretty ballsy.

Also, he's never been down, and while he coasts sometimes, he's still yet to be in a war that could possibly bring out the best in him.

Dillian Whyte?
I thought an older Chisora beat him, and if Chisora had the stamina of his youth, he would definitely have won that fight.

Saying that, the Chisora/Whyte fight was a shit-ton better than Parker/Fury

Fujimoto is the easy bread, sometimes you should take it. Also it will get Parker fans in another market, where kiwis like Sefo and Hunt are well known. There's money in that