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(05-24-2016, 03:17 PM)diehard Wrote: Shumenov and Tua are the only ones that come to mind.
Die, I can confidently say that Shumenov and Tua, after both having distinguished amateur careers, were pretty much the finished product before KB got involved.
Tua was a natural who - for the large part - had his talent coached out of him. He didn't need coaching - just an administrator to manage his training regime and to keep him honest.
Parker hasn't been drilled in many of the essential skills - the basics - that's obvious - 'cos they are absent from his game. They should be instinctive by now - second nature.
Now, on being given responsibility to nurture and bring out the best in Joe I would imagine that one would start at the beginning.. with the basics. That is, if one had an eye for his flaws. If you cannot see the problem then there is no way that it will be repaired..
Joe's crimes in the ring are many and I see him practicing them on the bags and in pad work. Where is the critical eye?
Before the fight, there was a clip of JP pounding a bag and many here commented on how fast, powerful and massive he was.
Forgive me, but I saw his flaws. This one in particular.. Too heavy on a straight left leg and on moving left would pivot off the left foot moving his right foot to the left of the left foot! then, correcting his balance by eventually moving his left foot further left.
Not a peep from KB watching on as this stumble move played out several times. My coach would have roared at me if I ever did this once..
JP should be honed by now into a slick powerful creditable contender. They have had the time.
Boxing is a simple sport but, it is also a subtle science. The noble art is so named because it requires skills!
V.
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(05-24-2016, 05:25 PM)diehard Wrote: ... I do think he needs to get someone with a fresh pair of eyes and perspective to consult with KB...
Hear hear!
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It's hard to nail a coach when the fighter is 19-0 on the fights list. My take is its too early to scratch yr head about KB, it's more up to the fighter and where he's at mentally. Has he got the fortitude and fighters instincts to do what is asked of him, does he have the capacity to be in the thick of it and think for himself. At times I've considered Jo to be a robot and looking to his corner for instructions. .. for this reason and the fact he is a small man stepping in against big men, I consider he needs more time to get seasoned and with more learning curves like Takam to get his ring craft matured. As for a coach change, that will obviously get looked at if and when the losses occur. Then, Bob the millionaire business man comes back into the picture.
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In saying all that Infernos post poses a few questions but much respect to Dannyboy
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(05-22-2016, 11:39 PM)NakiFan Wrote: They just don't have the confidence to create a streaming service because once Parker heads offshore they have nobody else coming through in their stable.
That really is bugging me with Duco. They need to and from the money invested by the ppv buying public have a certain responsibility to showcase talents coming through.
Fighters like Hemi, Junior Fa and Willis Meehan (obviously more in the lighter weights which I don't follow).
Their business model seems to me to be thinking short term. Wishing for that big London cash dump.
(05-24-2016, 05:26 PM)Veritas Wrote: (05-24-2016, 03:17 PM)diehard Wrote: Shumenov and Tua are the only ones that come to mind.
Die, I can confidently say that Shumenov and Tua, after both having distinguished amateur careers, were pretty much the finished product before KB got involved.
Tua was a natural who - for the large part - had his talent coached out of him. He didn't need coaching - just an administrator to manage his training regime and to keep him honest.
Parker hasn't been drilled in many of the essential skills - the basics - that's obvious - 'cos they are absent from his game. They should be instinctive by now - second nature.
Now, on being given responsibility to nurture and bring out the best in Joe I would imagine that one would start at the beginning.. with the basics. That is, if one had an eye for his flaws. If you cannot see the problem then there is no way that it will be repaired..
Joe's crimes in the ring are many and I see him practicing them on the bags and in pad work. Where is the critical eye?
Before the fight, there was a clip of JP pounding a bag and many here commented on how fast, powerful and massive he was.
Forgive me, but I saw his flaws. This one in particular.. Too heavy on a straight left leg and on moving left would pivot off the left foot moving his right foot to the left of the left foot! then, correcting his balance by eventually moving his left foot further left.
Not a peep from KB watching on as this stumble move played out several times. My coach would have roared at me if I ever did this once..
JP should be honed by now into a slick powerful creditable contender. They have had the time.
Boxing is a simple sport but, it is also a subtle science. The noble art is named so because it requires skills!
V.
Excellent post. You gotta wonder whether KB is paying attention to the bigger picture, making sure JP double jabs, moves his head, clinches when he should, combos, getting outta there after throwing his combos, etc. Subtle moves are ignored. Of course, as we all know, the subtle touches effect the larger mistakes. Heaps of trainers in Vegas to lend a hand. I agree, this stuff should have been ironed out by now. Hopefully, KB's ego isn't so great that he can't ask for help, as the stakes are high.
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(05-24-2016, 06:29 PM)diehard Wrote: (05-22-2016, 11:39 PM)NakiFan Wrote: They just don't have the confidence to create a streaming service because once Parker heads offshore they have nobody else coming through in their stable.
That really is bugging me with Duco. They need to and from the money invested by the ppv buying public have a certain responsibility to showcase talents coming through.
Fighters like Hemi, Junior Fa and Willis Meehan (obviously more in the lighter weights which I don't follow).
Their business model seems to me to be thinking short term. Wishing for that big London cash dump.
(05-24-2016, 05:26 PM)Veritas Wrote: (05-24-2016, 03:17 PM)diehard Wrote: Shumenov and Tua are the only ones that come to mind.
Die, I can confidently say that Shumenov and Tua, after both having distinguished amateur careers, were pretty much the finished product before KB got involved.
Tua was a natural who - for the large part - had his talent coached out of him. He didn't need coaching - just an administrator to manage his training regime and to keep him honest.
Parker hasn't been drilled in many of the essential skills - the basics - that's obvious - 'cos they are absent from his game. They should be instinctive by now - second nature.
Now, on being given responsibility to nurture and bring out the best in Joe I would imagine that one would start at the beginning.. with the basics. That is, if one had an eye for his flaws. If you cannot see the problem then there is no way that it will be repaired..
Joe's crimes in the ring are many and I see him practicing them on the bags and in pad work. Where is the critical eye?
Before the fight, there was a clip of JP pounding a bag and many here commented on how fast, powerful and massive he was.
Forgive me, but I saw his flaws. This one in particular.. Too heavy on a straight left leg and on moving left would pivot off the left foot moving his right foot to the left of the left foot! then, correcting his balance by eventually moving his left foot further left.
Not a peep from KB watching on as this stumble move played out several times. My coach would have roared at me if I ever did this once..
JP should be honed by now into a slick powerful creditable contender. They have had the time.
Boxing is a simple sport but, it is also a subtle science. The noble art is named so because it requires skills!
V.
Excellent post. You gotta wonder whether KB is paying attention to the bigger picture, making sure JP double jabs, moves his head, clinches when he should, combos, getting outta there after throwing his combos, etc. Subtle moves are ignored. Of course, as we all know, the subtle touches effect the larger mistakes. Heaps of trainers in Vegas to lend a hand. I agree, this stuff should have been ironed out by now. Hopefully, KB's ego isn't so great that he can't ask for help, as the stakes are high.
Yes, well done Veritas, food for thought and a definite positive..
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I appreciate and enjoy the opinions of most posters on this board whether I agree with them or not but who is Mark reason to be dishing out advise? I get that he is like Chris Rutte from the Herald an extremist who says dumb shit to get a reaction so by talking about it I'm giving them what they want but wouldn't stuff have more credibility if they actually got someone who knew what they were talking about to give us an opionion?
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I don't think Tua was the finished article. He went as far as he wanted though, skill-wise. He never did learn how to slip under the jab of a taller opponent, and it cost him throughout his career. Pretty basic, me thinks. Didn't learn it under Duva, Shields, or KB.
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Die, for his height and power he had to learn to move his head and feet like Mike Tyson. Both he and Jo seem under done. But of course Jo is only 24 and may acquire more skills, but unfortunately he can't acquire size and height which is important to a boxer.
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Sham, Joe said he gained an inch and is now as tall as Izu, who is 6'5". And he could add some overall muscle to his upper body, especially his chest. Not sure about his legs, as I haven't looked close enough.
I assume you're talking about my reference to Tua. Definitely underdone. I think he felt he could just overpower bigger guys, until he couldn't.
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