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(01-05-2019, 02:18 PM)shamrock Wrote: Craig KB is probably right about speaking Joe and Jnr in the same sentence at this point, Jnr needs to get up to fighting the same guys as Joe at the top of the table. The duco thing with Flores and Jnrs guy was a waste of time which certainly hurt Parker and didnt do much for Jnr. I'm excited for this year though for these guys to make something of themselves. Jnr has a long road up in my opinion but who knows about Joe, he seems a bit of a boblehead right in the action.
Fa just coming off a serious health scare. Joe coming off two losses. All forgiven. But not anymore. Time for both guys to step up in 2019.
Sham, Craig, others. Not to knock my mate Rebel, but how do you think he reffed the low blows? Too mild? AND, Sham, Craig, Bopman, others: How do you fight tough like Whyte without being dirty? AND, how do you counter that when someone like Whyte did what he did to Parker??? Thanks. I want to learn...
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(01-05-2019, 02:50 PM)diehard Wrote: (01-05-2019, 02:18 PM)shamrock Wrote: Craig KB is probably right about speaking Joe and Jnr in the same sentence at this point, Jnr needs to get up to fighting the same guys as Joe at the top of the table. The duco thing with Flores and Jnrs guy was a waste of time which certainly hurt Parker and didnt do much for Jnr. I'm excited for this year though for these guys to make something of themselves. Jnr has a long road up in my opinion but who knows about Joe, he seems a bit of a boblehead right in the action.
Fa just coming off a serious health scare. Joe coming off two losses. All forgiven. But not anymore. Time for both guys to step up in 2019.
Sham, Craig, others. Not to knock my mate Rebel, but how do you think he reffed the low blows? Too mild? AND, Sham, Craig, Bopman, others: How do you fight tough like Whyte without being dirty? AND, how do you counter that when someone like Whyte did what he did to Parker??? Thanks. I want to learn...
Die, I got one of my sons fight a bit rougher when up against an old campaigner from Otara. Well he blatantly brought headbutts beginning from about the navel..haha, and followed hooks with elbow jolts.....he was deducted points but won the fight. Moral is, it cant be so bloody obvious that the audience will react, needs be suttle and missed by the many.
Rebel and I are mates, but he blatantly ignored Joes low ones in my opinion and frankly the whole thing was wrong, once again in my opinion. Flores should have got a 5mis recovery period and Jo repeat it a disqualification. Weak reffing indeed imo. It was quite thuggish on Joes part when his foe was playing by the rules. The guy my boy fought was ready a thug so hence the strategy. Plus it wasnt high profile.
I think a lot of people didnt actually see Whytes dirty against Joe and the ref missed it. My mind is to stay clean and hope your ref is on his job.
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It's just one fight Sham, let it go. Joe had been heavily criticized from all sides for being too nice in the ring, not having enough mongrel. He clearly went a bit over the tip this time, but it's not like Flores really had a chance either way. Joe hasn't built his career in being a dirty fighter, he just needs to find the right balance. Give him a break, none of us are perfect.
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(01-05-2019, 07:41 PM)Msreef Wrote: It's just one fight Sham, let it go. Joe had been heavily criticized from all sides for being too nice in the ring, not having enough mongrel. He clearly went a bit over the tip this time, but it's not like Flores really had a chance either way. Joe hasn't built his career in being a dirty fighter, he just needs to find the right balance. Give him a break, none of us are perfect.
I asked Sham's opinion, and I thought he answered it well. Msreef, I agree. It was only one fight, and he does need to find a balance. I just didn't like how blatant it was, or KB advertising what Joe was gonna do before the fight, like when he said Joe has been practicing dirty tactics on sparring partners.
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Yes true msreef, Die asked for opinions. I dont appreciate being continually spoken down to by you, why dont you just block me or avoid my posts you obviously are way too experienced for me. OR else read back on the thread and get the gist of the debate before you butt in. Or alternately we can meet in a park somewhere and settle it.
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(01-05-2019, 08:44 PM)shamrock Wrote: Yes true msreef, Die asked for opinions. I dont appreciate being continually spoken down to by you, why dont you just block me or avoid my posts you obviously are way too experienced for me. OR else read back on the thread and get the gist of the debate before you butt in. Or alternately we can meet in a park somewhere and settle it.
You're easy to wind up, half the time I'm just doing that, don't take it too seriously.
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(01-05-2019, 03:44 PM)shamrock Wrote: (01-05-2019, 02:50 PM)diehard Wrote: (01-05-2019, 02:18 PM)shamrock Wrote: Craig KB is probably right about speaking Joe and Jnr in the same sentence at this point, Jnr needs to get up to fighting the same guys as Joe at the top of the table. The duco thing with Flores and Jnrs guy was a waste of time which certainly hurt Parker and didnt do much for Jnr. I'm excited for this year though for these guys to make something of themselves. Jnr has a long road up in my opinion but who knows about Joe, he seems a bit of a boblehead right in the action.
Fa just coming off a serious health scare. Joe coming off two losses. All forgiven. But not anymore. Time for both guys to step up in 2019.
Sham, Craig, others. Not to knock my mate Rebel, but how do you think he reffed the low blows? Too mild? AND, Sham, Craig, Bopman, others: How do you fight tough like Whyte without being dirty? AND, how do you counter that when someone like Whyte did what he did to Parker??? Thanks. I want to learn...
Die, I got one of my sons fight a bit rougher when up against an old campaigner from Otara. Well he blatantly brought headbutts beginning from about the navel..haha, and followed hooks with elbow jolts.....he was deducted points but won the fight. Moral is, it cant be so bloody obvious that the audience will react, needs be suttle and missed by the many.
Rebel and I are mates, but he blatantly ignored Joes low ones in my opinion and frankly the whole thing was wrong, once again in my opinion. Flores should have got a 5mis recovery period and Jo repeat it a disqualification. Weak reffing indeed imo. It was quite thuggish on Joes part when his foe was playing by the rules. The guy my boy fought was ready a thug so hence the strategy. Plus it wasnt high profile.
I think a lot of people didnt actually see Whytes dirty against Joe and the ref missed it. My mind is to stay clean and hope your ref is on his job.
My biggest issue was that Joe was doing it to a guy who had no hope against him anyway.
There's a difference between someone like Hopkins getting cheeky in a nip/tuck affair against a fellow elite level pro
It's another for Joe to take liberties against a poor sod bought over to be cannon fodder.
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(01-05-2019, 02:50 PM)diehard Wrote: (01-05-2019, 02:18 PM)shamrock Wrote: Craig KB is probably right about speaking Joe and Jnr in the same sentence at this point, Jnr needs to get up to fighting the same guys as Joe at the top of the table. The duco thing with Flores and Jnrs guy was a waste of time which certainly hurt Parker and didnt do much for Jnr. I'm excited for this year though for these guys to make something of themselves. Jnr has a long road up in my opinion but who knows about Joe, he seems a bit of a boblehead right in the action.
Fa just coming off a serious health scare. Joe coming off two losses. All forgiven. But not anymore. Time for both guys to step up in 2019.
Sham, Craig, others. Not to knock my mate Rebel, but how do you think he reffed the low blows? Too mild? AND, Sham, Craig, Bopman, others: How do you fight tough like Whyte without being dirty? AND, how do you counter that when someone like Whyte did what he did to Parker??? Thanks. I want to learn...
Also if someone like Whyte is bringing dirty tactics and the ref ignores it you return in kind. At that point the ref will have to step in and clean it up or the whole fight will become a farce
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(01-05-2019, 09:48 PM)Infern0 Wrote: (01-05-2019, 02:50 PM)diehard Wrote: (01-05-2019, 02:18 PM)shamrock Wrote: Craig KB is probably right about speaking Joe and Jnr in the same sentence at this point, Jnr needs to get up to fighting the same guys as Joe at the top of the table. The duco thing with Flores and Jnrs guy was a waste of time which certainly hurt Parker and didnt do much for Jnr. I'm excited for this year though for these guys to make something of themselves. Jnr has a long road up in my opinion but who knows about Joe, he seems a bit of a boblehead right in the action.
Fa just coming off a serious health scare. Joe coming off two losses. All forgiven. But not anymore. Time for both guys to step up in 2019.
Sham, Craig, others. Not to knock my mate Rebel, but how do you think he reffed the low blows? Too mild? AND, Sham, Craig, Bopman, others: How do you fight tough like Whyte without being dirty? AND, how do you counter that when someone like Whyte did what he did to Parker??? Thanks. I want to learn...
Also if someone like Whyte is bringing dirty tactics and the ref ignores it you return in kind. At that point the ref will have to step in and clean it up or the whole fight will become a farce
Thing is with Whyte the ref missed it Craig. Did you see it? My memories fading lol
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Yep, the ref did miss the Whyte headbutt. Even called it a knockdown. And I do believe Flores was in with a chance against Parker. Certainly an underdog, but he hit Joe with some clean shots. Joe had a shiner after the fight.
Rebel was explaining to KB and Parker after the fight in the changing room something about the way Joe was fighting. Very animated. I thought it should have been a no contest or a DQ, which is what I would have wanted if Flores did that to him. Parker was very lucky, as the low blows set up the KO.
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