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RE: Heavyweight Division - diehard - 01-13-2020
Dillian Whyte Talks About The Time Wladimir Klitschko “Knocked Deontay Wilder Cold”
James Slater - January 12, 2020
Some fighters live by the unwritten code: what happens in sparring stays in sparring, what happens in the gym stays in the gym. Yet Dillian Whyte has spoken out on what he says he saw happen in Austria way back when. It was when the all-conquering Wladimir Klitschko was heavyweight king and on top of his game that it happened, according to Whyte, who spoke with Sky Sports.
Klitschko, sparring with a young, largely unknown Deontay Wilder, showed zero mercy and, after being “roughed up” by the future WBC heavyweight king, “knocked him out cold.”
“I’ve seen him getting knocked out,” Whyte said of Wilder, the man he wants so much to fight himself. “Wladimir knocked him out. He knew what happened. He had his hands up. He was roughing Wlad up, bringing the smoke, and he was going wild. It wasn’t no knockdown, he was knocked cold. Properly twitching as well.”
It would be great to get more details: like when the spar took place exactly, if the two were wearing head-guards (they almost certainly were, surely) and what size of gloves the two fighters were wearing. Still, even if what Whyte says is in fact true (and there’s really no reason for him to make this stuff up, is there?), does it mean anything at all today? Wilder the relative novice got carried away, got reckless and was put in his place by a primed and peaking word heavyweight champion. And?
It does’t mean anyone around today can do what Klitschko is supposed to have done. The sport of boxing is littered with stories of a great fighter (either past, present or future) getting iced in a sparring match. Greats such as Ali, Tyson, Leonard and many others were said to have been manhandled in sparring at one time or another. It’s what happens in the ring that counts, and thus far, no-one has been able to knock Wilder out.
Whyte says the reason Klitschko and Wilder never fought at pros is likely due to what happened inside that Austrian training camp:
“That’s why they probably didn’t want him to fight Wlad, because Wlad was going to fight him as a pro and Wilder never fancied it the whole time,” Whyte said.
Who knows the reason Wilder never got it on with Klitscko. Maybe the two were at opposite ends of their careers when the fight could have taken place. Wilder became WBC champ in January of 2015, and at this time Klitschko was close to the end; being beaten by Tyson Fury later that year. Either way, we have to place a Klitschko-Wilder fight in thre Dream Fight vault now.
Whyte has an interesting tale, for sure, and it would be even more interesting if Wilder were to give his take on what happened. Or what didn’t happen.
RE: Heavyweight Division - bart - 01-13-2020
Wilder was a novice then and Klit a seasoned HW champ and future hall of famer
I would be shocked if it was other way round but nothing to read into pretty standard really. Wilder most likely throwing his uncontrolled round houses with power so Wlad straightened him up.
RE: Heavyweight Division - diehard - 01-13-2020
Sounds like Whyte is frustrated and trying to make Wilder look bad so he'll fight Whyte for the title. As you say, bart, big deal. Wilder was a novice, swinging wildly, and Klit was in his prime.
RE: Heavyweight Division - bart - 01-13-2020
I think Wilder doesn't want to do Eddie any favours so he isn't about to do Whyte any favours.
In saying that he told Whyte to fight Ortiz and he would give him a shot... Whyte chose not to
Whyte was also offered AJ in USA and chose not to
RE: Heavyweight Division - diehard - 01-14-2020
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/118773821/andy-ruiz-jr-gone-on-vacation-as-trainer-airs-concerns-for-former-heavyweight-champion
RE: Heavyweight Division - mippy - 01-15-2020
(01-14-2020, 03:32 PM)diehard Wrote: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/118773821/andy-ruiz-jr-gone-on-vacation-as-trainer-airs-concerns-for-former-heavyweight-champion
I think we all knew that was going to happen
RE: Heavyweight Division - diehard - 01-15-2020
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/eddie-hearn-offers-andy-ruiz-seven-figure-payday-to-fight-dillian-whyte-but-will-the-former-champ-take-it/140413
RE: Heavyweight Division - diehard - 01-15-2020
Adam Kownacki – Robert Helenius On For March 7th – Decent Or Disappointing?
James Slater - January 15, 2020
Well, Dominic Breazeale sure ain’t happy.
Mike Coppinger has reported how it’s a “done deal” for unbeaten Polish heavyweight warrior Adam Kownacki to fight Robert Helenius at The Barclays Centre on March 7th. Breazeale, who was in the frame for the fight with the highly ranked Kownacki, and was very vocal about the fight, took to social media upon hearing the news.
“Trouble” posted the image of a startled duck on his instagram page, with the words “The look on @akbabyface face when it comes to signing the contract to fight me. Now he wants to fight a washed up dude instead of giving the fans a heavyweight slugfest and fighting me. Go ahead and pad your record and stay safe, at some point you’ll have to fight. I’ll stay in the gym and will continue to look for the best fights for the fans.”
Okay, Kownacki-Helenius is no great match-up, no fight that will get fans in a lather, but coming off that one-round splattering at the hands of Deontay Wilder as he is, Breazeale might not have enjoyed too much fan expectation if he did land the March 7 gig. Yes, Breazeale is younger than Helenius, but it just might be that the past his best but still, well, decent, Helenius manages to stick around for a few more rounds than Breazeale would have done against Kownacki.
Helenius, 36 years of age and currently 29-3(18) overall and winner of just two of his last six outings, has been stopped twice (most recently by Gerald Washington, who Kownacki had an easy time with) and he was at his best around a decade ago. It’s not clear what Kownacki gets out of this fight, if anything. Sure, it keeps “Baby Face” busy, but he has been busy enough, beating good fighters like Chris Arreola and Charles Martin. What he wants is a world title shot, but a win over Helenius won’t move Kownacki any closer to that.
Kownacki will enjoy another packed out night at Barclays, his army of fans cheering him on with gusto, but this one seems a formality. The only question is, how long will Helenius last in there? Look for Kownacki, 20-0(15) to walk through Helenius early and wear him down for a stoppage somewhere around the 6th or 7th.
RE: Heavyweight Division - diehard - 01-15-2020
How about Breazeale/Parker on Feb 29th? I know he doesn't resemble Usyk, but that fight is iffy at best. Breazeale would be a good scalp and a good match up for Parker. Breazeale is slow and easy to hit, and has been in with Wilder and AJ. AND, he should be in shape if he's been training for Kownacki. Of course, Breazeale isn't ranked, so he probably would love the fight.
Personally, if I were Parker or Fa, I'd try to get the Kownacki fight. If we're talking rankings, that ranking would really help Fa. Parker just needs to fight a credible top ten opponent (or Breazeale, who's credible) and improve his game as he gets ready to take on Usyk for an eliminator. Looks like AJ/Wilder/Fury will all be too busy to fight Parker for at least a year.
RE: Heavyweight Division - bart - 01-16-2020
Parker v Breazeale I like.
Breazeale isn't too bad yes he slow but is very game.
He was all wrong v Wilder too easy to hit